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Title: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Mar 31, 2009, 02:30 PM
From time to time, I come up with a stupid idea of stuff to write on Randomland. I have text documents full of abhorrent little quips or stupid thoughts that spring through my head.

Well, it's your turn! Make a suggestion; this will be the official place to put it into the infinitude of persistent database storage. I'll sift through my ideas and put the less-than-embarrassing ones up soon.
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Mar 31, 2009, 02:43 PM
First suggestion:

The Aging of the Internet:
The Decline of Relevant Information
or
Breakdown on the Information Superhighway

There is an unfathomable amount of information floating on the interwebs these days. Often, a Google search will pull up data which is so out-of-date that it becomes irrelevant. This is especially true when searching for software/hardware issues.

Perhaps more notably, when looking up things such as music artists on the ubiquitous Wikipedia, you will see references to "May 26th" or "Spring of this year." This is poor authorship. The text is noted dated and can be several years old. Come on guys!

So: Make a case about how the internet is aging somewhat poorly.
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Apr 01, 2009, 07:33 AM
Regurgitative Journalism

Forget Investigative Journalism! Regurgitative Jounalism is now in full swing -- and the internet is ally numero uno! You like an article you see on a "news" site? Well, link it up on your blog, smather it with your personal commentary and you're good to go!

But, lest we think that this trend in laziness is confined to the personal "blah-go-sphere," list a few "professional" examples (Register, etc) which do this all of the time.
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Apr 01, 2009, 07:34 AM
Satire: Are We Litigating Out Self-Defense?

List some recent examples of how good Samaritans and people defending themselves are getting sued, rather than commended.
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Apr 01, 2009, 07:37 AM
GoogleMock

What if Google was as condescending as your friends? I mean, how many things do you intentionally ask your favorite search engine rather than a human being?

For example:
"lolcatz history"
"second mortgage definition"
"I hate Perl Jam"


You know, the kind of things which are likely to get a potentially embarrassing response, if you ask your friend.
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: Nick on Apr 22, 2009, 07:15 PM
I think you will get better/funnier answers from google sometimes. Like your "I hate Perl Jam"... I tried that one....:

          Q.  Does everybody really hate Pearl Jam?



           A. Best Answer - Chosen by Asker
                       Because pearl jam died after ten was released.

Mostly it was "Whats perl jam?" Is that really why yahoo answers was created?

But really? Whats so wrong with Perl Jam?
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Apr 22, 2009, 08:29 PM
Quote from: Nick on Apr 22, 2009, 07:15 PM
But really? Whats so wrong with Perl Jam?

Well, once upon an internets, I quipped that "Eddie Vedder's voice is like bathing in gravel." While that doesn't really make any sense, it seemed fitting to a situation which was highly uncomfortable.

After being subjected to it after an extended length of time, however, I can tolerate it. Or I just tune it out. Or I make imitative an crow-cawing in Vedder's trademark sirenesque wailure.

(Extra points if you can translate all of those words I made up into any sort of logical formation in your head)
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: Nick on Apr 22, 2009, 09:19 PM
I can see that. Some singers are a bit of an acquired  taste, I never seemed to have too much a problem... other then some of his songs just aren't that good.

Anyway....  back on topic.  Other then the "It will burn" periodical we should do reviews of rest stops. Not really a new Idea.. I thought it would be a good idea for a coffee table book awhile back... but still. Quality of facilities, looks of the grounds, historic significances, how the view is ... and anything else that needs said.  Or something

anyway



SPOOON!
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Apr 22, 2009, 09:33 PM
Dirt to Work Ratio Calculator
(quiz maybe?)
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: Nick on Apr 22, 2009, 09:34 PM
Nice
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Apr 22, 2009, 09:40 PM
Not a topic, but bring back the old polls. Those were "good"
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Apr 24, 2009, 11:21 AM
Poli-Ticks:

Link to this slanted article about (http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/04/how_to_produce_high_approval_r.html) on poll-slanting.

Say, "well kinda" and link to the poll results (http://www.ap-gfkpoll.com/pdf/AP-GfK_Poll_Topline_April_2009.pdf). In fact, if their sampling was anywhere near correct, it shows that more people are turning away from the tired parties. See pages 21-22

Independent Party gained a few (23 up to 26), but the "I don't know what party to identify with" number shot from 12 up to 18. I see this as the more important trend -- less people are identifying themselves with the major political parties.
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Apr 29, 2009, 11:20 AM
Pacific Power and their marketing awesomeness.

Did you know that I can "Go Paperless" for FREE?! No way! I can let them:

Cool! All for FREE??
Also, I can feel cheery-good about myself because (direct from an email):

It seems like I've had similar offers not to get paper bills from companies in the past. Except, they offered some sort of incentive, like "$1 off your bill, per month." I'm doing them a favor by streamlining their process. But Pacific Power spins it in a way that makes me think they're doing me a favor for offering. Maybe, I should even feel guilty if I do not take them up on this offer.

Mention other notables, such I can pay them only a few more dollars per month, and they'll tell me I'm using "renewable energy." Once again, I can feel good about myself and my contribution to this earth which man is single-handedly destroying. Besides, I bet the truth is something closer to, "We'll use your money to buy power from people with windmills."

In sort, Pacific Power offers many services which sound like they should be paying YOU for. Instead, you can get them at little to no charge!
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Jul 27, 2009, 01:41 PM
Randomland's Official Camping Guide
What You Need and Why You'll Need It

Create a camping guide including:
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: Nick on Jul 27, 2009, 08:21 PM
Reviews of camping equipment would be cool too. Though there are other places for that information having another won't hurt.
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Jul 27, 2009, 08:57 PM
I see you made it back alive. Congrats!

I agree that a review style thing could be helpful. Of course, since no one seems to be giving us free stuff, we should perhaps dumb it down to "this is what we use and this is how well it works."
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Jul 28, 2009, 09:19 AM
Here's another stupid idea I wrote down a while ago:

Make an uncouth argument about the heterogeneous population and
destroying diversity.

Use some nonsense argument with "rap-core" as a prime example of how
mixing previously good things can become an utter failure.
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: Nick on Jul 28, 2009, 03:53 PM
:) Brilliant!
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Jul 29, 2009, 07:35 AM
Create a Google map (or something) that displays population density. Map density to how effective one spray of a skunk is.

ie: Stayton --> 1 spray affects 300 people per square mile
(note: Wikipedia says (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stayton,_Oregon) population density is 2,525.3/sq mi)
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Aug 07, 2009, 01:12 PM
(http://randomland.net/sites/all/modules/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=41&g2_serialNumber=2&g2_GALLERYSID=f23999b5f9811f2d59a2d99aa7dad9ca) (http://randomland.net/index.php/v/pages/freedom+paper.jpg.html?q=gallery)

In this world, overrun by automatic paper towel dispensers, there are a few fervent individuals who still have the gall to fight for freedom.

Be vigilant! Take back your freedoms!
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Aug 07, 2009, 01:14 PM
(http://randomland.net/sites/all/modules/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=45&g2_serialNumber=2&g2_GALLERYSID=f23999b5f9811f2d59a2d99aa7dad9ca) (http://randomland.net/index.php/v/pages/arbocide.jpg.html?q=gallery)

Arbocide! What happened to all of this poor, defenseless shrubbery?!
Make some sort of illogical correlation between the pruning of one's yard and the imminent destruction of the world's entire ecosystem.
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Aug 07, 2009, 01:29 PM
We've all seen this sign before:
Sidewalk Closed
Use Other Side


This is a logical fallacy!
Note: for major construction or any other time when said sign is applying to a large section of ground, please disregard the following conclusions as the 'given' portion of the equation is invalid.

Given:

Facts:

My recommendation

By my calculations, it will take about 6.818 seconds. Walking across the street, down, and then crossing back would take about 40.909 seconds. And, of course, getting hit by cars really hurts! So come on, how could one conclude that crossing the street is not more dangerous??

:)
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Aug 10, 2009, 12:46 PM
What is up with rap artists constantly using their band name in their songs??
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Aug 12, 2009, 02:28 PM
Courtney ponders terrestrial luminescence:
Why do I prefer a brighter ground and a darker sky? Let's explore some common, naturally occuring phenomena.  
  - overcast skies -- excellent
  - lake mirroring the sky -- excellent
  - lucious green forest -- awesome
  - snow-covered fields -- nearly perfect
  - solar exclipse -- awesome!!
Now compare with:
  - sunny day -- boring
Let's just call it "perferrential terrestrial luminescence"
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Aug 12, 2009, 02:33 PM
Explain the sad truth that making something yourself isn't always the most....economical route.

Example:
Qwirkle...$25?! I could make that for HALF the price...[trot, trot, trot] Ok
  - 1 piece of 1"x4"x8' pine lumber
       $8
  - 1 bucket of black paint
       $10
  - 1 set of model paint (small bottles)
       $6
  - 1 sheet of thin balsa wood for reusable stensils
       $5
  - table saw
       $275
  - chop saw
       $175
  - sand paper (multiple grades)
       $5
....ok, maybe that wasn't cheaper! Drat!
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Aug 14, 2009, 05:08 PM
When your preterit rendering engine fails:

"Man, I just teared a hole in my jeans!"
"Uh, you mean tore."
"Oh yeah..."
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Aug 14, 2009, 06:18 PM
Fun things to do:
Feed a hamster food until they can't fit any more in their cheeks (~1 week's worth of food). While it may be a little mean, it's really funny seeing the creature double in size before your eyes!
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: Nick on Aug 17, 2009, 11:18 PM
Quote from: zourtney on Aug 12, 2009, 02:33 PM
Explain the sad truth that making something yourself isn't always the most....economical route.

Example:
Qwirkle...$25?! I could make that for HALF the price...[trot, trot, trot] Ok
  - 1 piece of 1"x4"x8' pine lumber
       $8
  - 1 bucket of black paint
       $10
  - 1 set of model paint (small bottles)
       $6
  - 1 sheet of thin balsa wood for reusable stensils
       $5
  - table saw
       $275
  - chop saw
       $175
  - sand paper (multiple grades)
       $5
....ok, maybe that wasn't cheaper! Drat!


There is a point that it no longer becomes about saving money but instead about regaining the lost art of self sufficiency. We make so very little of the things we use today, its only natural that we feel the need to try doing it ones self every now and then.
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Aug 18, 2009, 08:45 AM
So true (about wanting to make stuff as a testament to your ability to be self-sufficient)

Dissimilar things which get mixed up in my head
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Aug 18, 2009, 10:36 AM
Those fun times when a keyboard key (like shift or control) gets stuck down and nothing behaves as you're expecting.
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Aug 18, 2009, 01:54 PM
How you can never rack a pool triangle with perfectly alternating solids/stripes.

       x
     o  x
   x  8  o
 o  x  o  x
x  o  x  o  o

grr!! Triangles!!
Why does this bother me?
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: Nick on Aug 19, 2009, 10:28 PM
My grandma had one of those not that long ago. Easy for me to diagnose but had her convinced it was possessed.
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Aug 20, 2009, 02:07 PM
One of us needs to get better at Flash animations or drawing...for the funnies
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: Nick on Aug 21, 2009, 12:56 AM
:) yup. I should play around with that on the next occasion I find myself with a bit of down time. 
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Aug 21, 2009, 06:10 AM
Yeah, sometimes I get things in my head which lend themselves to Flash animation or comic strips (but they probably aren't funny to anyone else!).

More annoying ideas: write about how my phone turned into a megabrick and wouldn't even display anything on the screen (the internet seems void of such tales).
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Aug 24, 2009, 08:34 AM
Have you ever tried to literally "hit the ground running?" It's an interesting sensation.
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: Nick on Aug 24, 2009, 09:51 PM
Since when does being "a mom" lend any credibility to a person over someone who is not one? Take advertisements like "New cold remedy, discovered by a mom" or perhaps "discovered by a teacher who was tired of being sick" does being a mom offer better qualifications then perhaps, say a medical degree?
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Sep 04, 2009, 07:24 PM
Fun things to do:

Turn your back to traffic at a stop sign in the suburbs. As the vehicle starts to move, guess the number of cylinders the engine has based on engineand exhaust tone. Sneak a peak as they drive away to confirm or discredit your guess.
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: Nick on Sep 05, 2009, 09:48 AM
BMWs will make that difficult. They have a nice subdued tone that still hints at power. And that reminds me. My car is broked :(
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Sep 05, 2009, 02:41 PM
Very true, on both fronts. If you want me to stand around and be useless while you dremel dangerously close to your gas tank, I'm THERE! I'll even take pictures. Maybe even help! (I usually end up about half as useful as I'd like to be)
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: Nick on Sep 06, 2009, 11:07 PM
Sounds good. When are you free? Brad was talking about a Monday thing as you both have it off.

And on a side note: Richard got an elk. There will be sausage this winter!
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Sep 07, 2009, 12:20 PM
Nice. Tasty!

Another idea: how to install a Linux server running in VirtualBox. The tricky part is setting up port-forwarding, so give details on that.
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Sep 13, 2009, 09:04 AM
When do we make the switch from saying the year as "two thousand [and] X" to "twenty X". I mean, all of those sci-fi stories talk about "twenty-twenty-five" or whatever. How disappointing would it be if that year rolled around and we're still saying "two thousand twenty-five??"
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: Nick on Sep 13, 2009, 09:46 AM
I was thinking the same thing the other day. I have heard media people say it both ways. And they are probably going to be the trend setters on that. I propose that we do our best to usher in the new decade with an attempt to make twenty ten the accepted moniker for describing the year.
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Sep 13, 2009, 03:39 PM
That's what I was thinking, though I am oddly torn. People don't get the option but once every hundred years (2xxx), or perhaps only once every millenum (xxxx). As such, who am I to stick with the old, techically incorrect "twenty xxx" notation? I could gleefully welcome continuing use of the the "two thousand xxx" notation. After all, people in 100 years won't have such a nice, round number on their hands!
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: Nick on Sep 13, 2009, 10:33 PM
But its easier to say "The year is twenty one thirty eight" then "The year is two thousand one hundred and thirty eight."
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Sep 14, 2009, 06:21 AM
Assuredly so.
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: Brad on Sep 16, 2009, 01:49 PM
Could you hear yourself saying "twenty-ten" or "two-thousand-ten".

I think it's gonna be around the year 2020 before we switch over to "twenty-x".
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Sep 16, 2009, 01:54 PM
I smell a New Year's resolution....
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: Brad on Sep 17, 2009, 08:59 AM
What does a New Year's Resolution smell like?
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: Nick on Sep 21, 2009, 04:32 PM
Randomland product reviews.

Two things to easily start it off.

Future things could be cameras, tents, bike-racks and anything else we want the world to know is cool, or not so cool.
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Sep 21, 2009, 04:47 PM
Go for it! Where should we put such reviews? I occasionally think of reviewing music or trails or enchiladas or whatnot. I had an original point, but I lost it.
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: Nick on Sep 21, 2009, 08:32 PM
We can make a dedicated reviews section. Or post them under the section that they most relate to and just tag them as a review. I am never sure of whats best.
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: Nick on Sep 21, 2009, 09:10 PM
Hmmmm. Make a Motors Review term? Or create a new vocab with just review in it to deign an article a review? Then it can be motors and review. This will lump all reviews together as well as making them related to a category.
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Sep 28, 2009, 06:22 PM
"Your Almost Their!"
A Grammatical Test on the Proper Use of
There, Their, They're,
Your, You're, and Yore
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: Nick on Sep 29, 2009, 08:44 PM
Its been done but the world can use more. Especially if its satirical and mocks you as you fail :)
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Sep 30, 2009, 10:19 AM
Yeah, I'm not very original. But if it's on Randomland, it's going to be satirical and demeaning, of course.
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Oct 17, 2009, 09:35 PM
Suggestion:
"The Camera The Woods Ate"
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Oct 21, 2009, 08:53 AM
Quote from: Nick on Oct 20, 2009, 11:43 PM
Just a note....

We are #1 some place. And that place is the google search results for "Harbor Freight Magnesium Fire" AND "Harbor Freight Magnesium Fire starter." Not that anyone should care to any great deal. I just thought it nice to show up in a search not involving the phrase "randomland."

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=Rw&q=Harbor+Freight+Magnesium+Fire+starter+Review&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

Awesome! I split this into a new topic (http://randomland.net/sites/all/modules/smfforum/index.php/topic,66.0.html), because we could have lots of discussion about how to optimize Randomland for search results. For example, search for randomland (even "randomland.net" on bing, and you get NOTHING, "lolz").
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: Nick on Oct 21, 2009, 09:41 AM
That's sad. Bad bing, bad!
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Oct 27, 2009, 10:01 AM
We need to get the AOL CD art back up here. That is perhaps the very first thing we ever put on Randomland. And it is missing.  :(
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: Nick on Oct 27, 2009, 10:05 AM
Its around here someplace. I still had that helmet until recently. It was getting cracked and falling apart a little, but it was still kinda cool (in a massively dorky way) :)
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Oct 27, 2009, 10:09 AM
The page was almost entirely pictures. And I can still provide many, many pictures of the incident(s). I'll try to remember to throw them up on the new gallery when I get home. (Unless the CCK image thing is killing your computer, then I won't)
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Oct 30, 2009, 10:57 AM
Plah, just here for a reminder to myself:

http://forums.adobe.com/thread/510905?tstart=0
It's actually stopImmediatePropagation()

http://livedocs.adobe.com/flex/3/html/help.html?content=layouts_12.html

Explain later. We need more Flex examples on our webbernets.
protected function clicked(event:MouseEvent):void
{
if ( _paletteWindow == null )
{
_window = MyDialogWindow(PopUpManager.createPopUp(DisplayObject(_efApp),MyDialogWindow));
_window.addEventListener( CloseEvent.CLOSE, onClose, false, 0, true );
PopUpManager.centerPopUp( _window );
}
}

protected function onClose( event:CloseEvent ):void
{
trace( "you closed me!" );
PopUpManager.removePopUp( _window);
_window = null;
}

/* in the window MyDialogWindow source */
public function close( ):void
{
// dispatch close event. Will get routed through onCloseClicked()
dispatchEvent( new CloseEvent(CloseEvent.CLOSE) );
}

protected function onCloseClicked( event:CloseEvent ):void
{
// close normally
}
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Nov 04, 2009, 08:50 AM
Idea: "Thank Goodness for Brows!"

Include stories of Cody of rockslides. Include stories of dogs and angle grinders  :)
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Nov 16, 2009, 10:47 AM
Someone other than myself needs to make some Randomland content. I quickly tire of seeing my own words up on the main site.
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Dec 01, 2009, 01:26 PM
Please?
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: Nick on Dec 21, 2009, 12:05 AM
We should make a page detailing the pain that plants feel when they are cut and eaten. (As a parody of the over reactive and rather unnatural  vegans. I.e. : http://vegancampus.com/2009/04/08/why-it-steams-me-when-people-eat-crabs-shrimp-and-lobsters/ )
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Jan 22, 2010, 08:25 AM
We need to bust out some new content. Randomland is stagnating again. There are lots of things we could work on visually, as well.
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: Nick on Jan 22, 2010, 10:12 AM
Sad but true. Things just seem tp come in spurts. Followed by a bit of a lull.

We need to do things that inspire us to create content!
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: Brad on Jan 22, 2010, 10:46 AM
I'm probably going to build my workbench this weekend. I'll take some pictures of the process and maybe at some point get around to posting them to randomland.
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: Nick on Jan 22, 2010, 10:56 AM
Cool. Whats it going to look like?
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: Brad on Jan 22, 2010, 12:04 PM
It's going to be a 6'x2'x3' bench with a shelf at about 6" off the ground. The top will be 3/4" plywood. Everything else will be made with 2"x4"s.
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Jul 23, 2010, 07:28 AM
I think I'll make a Randomland page for my ugly safe project, when I finish. I bet it's not so spraypaint stinky by now!
Title: Re: Official Article Suggestion Topic
Post by: zourtney on Aug 10, 2010, 08:43 AM
The PowerHandle needs Randomlanded. Also, we should post templates for those cool Randomland stickers Nick gave me (maybe with a slight revision, like words).